An Interview with Henry Jenkins

I interviewed Prof. Henry Jenkins, and he provided an excellent insight that changed my initial view of fanfiction and the fandom.

HIGHLIGHTS

“When you write fanfic. Are you trying to do art? Mostly not. And I think that’s what’s so good about fanfic is so much of it is bad. I say that because it creates a space where you can be bad and get better. You can be bad, get feedback, get better, and that makes it a more democratized art form.

And it also motivates you because you read a piece of bad fanfic, and you say, well, I can write better than that. Whereas if you read Moby Dick, you don’t say that. Or if you watch The Godfather, you don’t say, I can make a better movie than that.”

If you’re in a world where only the very best gets released, which is the world of mass media. It doesn’t create incentives for us to create art. Whereas participatory culture depends on there being bad art that we can push beyond. Yeah. Definitely. To have a space to be bad and improve. And both of those are key parts, I think, of fan fiction.”

——Prof. Henry Jenkins

REFLECTION: Henry was very down-to-earth in our talk and he really nailed at saying what makes fanfiction unique to people within the fandom. It’s not about being perfect; it’s about having the freedom to mess up, learn, and get better. Fanfiction lets anyone try their hand at storytelling, no matter their skill level, and that’s what makes it so empowering and fun.

EVALUATION: It’s easier to be creative if we focus on creating “bad art” as a starting point. This creates a safe space where people can grow and experiment, making fanfiction a unique and inclusive way to spark creativity and tell stories.

EXPERT INTRODUCTION:

Henry Jenkins is a renowned media scholar and cultural critic, best known for his work on participatory culture, convergence culture, and fan studies. He is a professor at the University of Southern California and the author of numerous influential books, including “Convergence: The Future of Media” and “Fandom: Identities and Communities in the Age of the Internet.” Jenkins’ research explores how media technologies and fan communities shape our understanding of culture and identity.

INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT:

EVIDENCE:

BONUS: being invited to join the Transcultural Fandom of East Asia, a group of researchers of fan studies that Mr.Jenkins is recruiting along his travels. The aim of the Fandom is to broadcast the voice of the East-Asian fandom (Mr.Jenkins mentioned that he had fallen in love with Shanghai based fandom, which he thinks is the most vibrant and creative and engaging fan culture in the world). I was overjoyed to be invited. I really look forward to being with a group of researchers and looking at their direction of work. Because it’s definitely gonna be different than simply investigating alone on this area.

Intervention 3: an Educational Zine

Learning from the failure of the second intervention on Reddit, I took some time to create an educational zine.

P2: Examples of original bestselling authors who started their career by creating fanfiction of existing popular works;

P3: 2 examples of fans taking over the original universe: Fans holding a funeral for Sherlock Holmes, a fictional character, and two examples of fans taking over the original universe as their own after the original authors have been charged with controversial statements online.

P4: Using the Media Specificity Theory, and indicating that fanfiction could be considered a new form of medium, which differenciates to traditional writing.

P5: A moodboard of fan-created content. Visually introducing the definition of fanfiction, fan art, cosplay, and parodies.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this intervention is to inspire new knowledge to the ones within the general public who are ignorant/nonchalant/initially opposed to fanfiction.(which is what I failed to do in the 2nd Intervention on Reddit).

PROCESS: This time I created a google form that included stereotypes of fanfiction, and sent it not only on original writing communities on Reddit, but also on several writing communities on Weibo and Red. By broadening my scope, I eventually found 8 participants who were willing to participate.

TOOLS: Google Forms, WenJuanXing(Chinese version of Google Forms), Photoshop

LOCATION: Online writing communities on Reddit, Weibo

PARTICIPANTS: 8 people who are either ignorant or have negative stereotypes on fanfiction

REFLECTIONS: One reader said it reminded them of the Death of the Author by Roland Barthes, and the fact that the author doesn’t get to define the “ultimate meaning” of a text they wrote, the meaning of the text is transformative and changes according to the reader/audience. This to me signified that it created new knowledge in this stakeholder, and it linked to their own knowledge of the definition of fiction, and it changed their original comprehension of what fanfiction could be.

ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT: Apart from doing a visual intervention, I would love to experiment on different mediums. I had quite limited time to figure out the deeper and more abstract level of fanfiction, how it linked to participatory culture and transmedia storytelling, but I really loved the idea of media specificity because this sparked the theory that fanfiction could be legitimately marked as a new type of medium. I’m going to experiment on this area in the next intervention.

EVALUATION: Only individuals curious and open enough to consider opposing ideas accepted my invitation, making them ideal for fostering initial change within original writers. However, to create a broader impact, I need to reach beyond this group and engage with those who may not be as open-minded, challenging their perspectives and expanding the conversation around fanfiction.

Stage 1: Struggling to Contact

I tried to contact people on Reddit. But the way I phrased the enquiry for collab wasn’t ideal. I was a complete newbie on Reddit and I had no idea what the rules were.

I sent invites for collab on several subreddits to make sure.

I did not phrase my logic right. I was removed from several subreddits because I unintentionally violated the rules.

I did get recommendations from several callers.

I did get one reply, this user had changed views on fanfiction.

I did get clues to keep researching elsewhere.

Conclusion:

  1. Need to rephrase my invitations for collab.
  2. Web Originals gave off fanfic adjacent vibes. (redirecting research to Henry Jenkins’ theory on convergence media)
  3. Wildbow.
  4. OTW: Transformative Works and Cultures(scholars discussing fanfic)
  5. Mibba.com.

Queries and Surveys in Online Fandom Communities

As the fandom is a niche subculture that stretched around different corners of the world, I decided to spread my queries on various different websites including Reddit, Weibo, Red, and several Wechat and Instagram groups.

Stage 1: I tried to contact people on Reddit. But the way I phrased the enquiry for collab wasn’t ideal. I was a complete newbie on Reddit and I had no idea what the rules were.

I sent invites for collab on several subreddits to make sure.

I did not phrase my logic right. I was removed from several subreddits because I unintentionally violated the rules.

I did get recommendations from several callers.

I did get one reply, this user had changed views on fanfiction.

I did get clues to keep researching elsewhere.

Conclusion:

  1. Need to rephrase my invitations for collab.
  2. Web Originals gave off fanfic adjacent vibes. (redirecting research to Henry Jenkins’ theory on convergence media)
  3. Wildbow.
  4. OTW: Transformative Works and Cultures(scholars discussing fanfic)
  5. Mibba.com.

Stage 2:I got a lot of backlash from my first attempt at Reddit. So I decided to change my way of investigating.

I switched an account and started to ask questions directed at both sides:

  1. People who disliked or against fanfics.
  2. People who enjoy reading or writing fanfics or approve of fanfics.

At this point I decided to flirt with the idea of f***ing up. So I put in the exact same question from one of the comments that made me feel bad.

(Their comments were completely valid though, it’s just it took a very long time for me to get to this point of the project, and my own communication skills is blocking me from pushing the project as fast as I wanted, and I was frustrated by the fact that I had to practice again and again, going through trial and error to perfect my communication skills)

Content of post: I decided to go back to autoethnographic research and post some of my own experiences, so that I wouldn’t just be a student asking for help with homework, I’m a researcher using my own experience as research.

This time the outcome was much more fruitful.

This pic below shows evidence for one misconception: that fanfics are all deviant and insignificant, the lowest in the hierarchy chain. This one piece of feedback proves that this misconception is wrong.

Evidence shows that my way of communicating a question was still flawed.

Stage 3: I planned out an intervention on inviting stakeholders from the fandom community to draw their first impression of a fanfic creator, and then invite stakeholders from the original writing community to do the exact same thing.

Stakeholders from the Fandom Community:

I didn’t plan this intervention as well as I had hoped for, asking people to draw on a small canva page was less fruitful than simply asking questions on Reddit.

My stakeholders more likely chose to ask questions instead of participating in my intervention, which only meant that I hadn’t communicated in a clear way.

I decided to go back to researching for the link between fanfiction, participatory culture and convergence media. Because this intervention to me still seemed forced out, like I was trying to do an intervention for the sake of doing an intervention, but it was better to do it and regret it rather than not do it and regret it.

Comparatively, stakeholders from the original writing community had a similar result.

in Subreddit Fanfiction: out of the 22 people that entered the canva page, only 3 left drawings.

in Subreddit Writing(for Original Writers), 5 people joined and only 1 person left a drawing.

REFLECTIONS & LEARNINGS: This intervention was not planned out at all. I had acted out of haste and had not used any methodology to help me gather useful feedback. But it was better than doing nothing at all.

https://www.canva.com/design/DAGOsUKtHpk/0VEWu594fdsDSLaH4hgrVA/edit

https://www.canva.com/design/DAGOvIkcV_Q/NATKT3RMoCzo0BIeq7u_AQ/edit

ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT: I had done case studies on fanfiction before the course but I hadn’t thought of pre-practising my means of communication. For my next intervention I needed to find a way to measure the change by gathering feedback before and after the stakeholders see the intervention and make sure that it is easy for them to receive feedback.

Intervention-Gathering Insight from the General Public(8.9)


TITLE: General Views of Fanfiction

DESCRIPTION: I went to the streets of Edinburgh, and asked members of the general public to draw their first reactions when they heard the concept “fanfiction”.

PURPOSE:

Project-wise: getting an idea of how the public view fan-fiction in general, and try to find any direct evidence of social stigma and misconception that would occur in a setting that is considered open-minded.

Personally: to practice my courage. Redefining my topic took longer time that I had anticipated, which meant spending several weeks frozen in place, terrified of proceeding forward and forcing myself to push forward at the same time. For a while, I was really, really afraid of conducting interventions because I was afraid I would do something “wrong”. However, researching on new knowledge can only be achieved by trial and error. So I decided to practice conquering my fears by taking action.

PROCESS: going around the streets of Edinburgh and asking people to draw their first reaction when they think of fan-fiction, fan-art, cosplay, and parodies, and asking them to explain their drawings or written words, and record if the participant gives consent.

TOOLS: a notebook, several markers, and a phone for recording.

LOCATION: Edinburgh

PARTICIPANTS: Random passersby on the streets.

PROCESS:

It wasn’t easy for me to encourage random passersby to participate, because the majority of them were on their way to see a show and they either politely refused my invitation to participate in my intervention, or just downright ignored me…What was interesting was that the people who didn’t want to participate varied in age, gender and positions. This broke my initial stereotype of thinking that only the older generation(aged 50 and up) would hesitate to participate.

However, as I gradually grew bolder and started chatting to people on a whim on the streets, people started to slowly respond. One girl told me the definition of Rule 34*, which I didn’t know before; a performer who had been a professional wrestler drew Godzilla vs Kong and told me that it represented his own passion for his career; a group of teenage dancers crowded around me and chattered about their favorite characters and ships from Harry Potter; a girl drew a sex scene out of stick figures, with the woman dominating the man, and claimed that the fan-fic universe was a safe space and psychological sanctuary for her to create and enjoy those fantasies while the real world prevented her from doing so.

* Rule 34: If it exists there is porn of it, no exceptions.

OUTCOME:

REFLECTIONS & LEARNINGS:

ABOUT THE LOCATION

This intervention to Edinburgh was impromptu, and I got the most feedback on areas in Edinburgh where the Edinburgh Festival and the Edinburgh Fringe Festival was taking place. Both festivals are relatively open-minded spaces for all kinds of performances and welcomes artistic creativity.

This ultimately means that I’m “preaching to the converted”, in other words, telling people who already have relatively open minds for adapted works that fan-fiction is good. (I knew this before conducting the intervention, but I still decided to do it because it would help me practice my courage. And who knows? Maybe I’ll find something that I wasn’t expecting.)

Even in a location as open-minded as this, there were still people who shied away from my approaches. The people who avoided me on the streets are the exact ppl who I should gather data from if I wanted to “change” or “challenge” the misconception of fan-fics.(Arguably, this was probably because I picked busier streets in Edinburgh and they would not usually pay attention to a random girl with a notebook in her hands.)So I needed to center my research on less open-minded places and less open-minded people.

ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT:

  1. I need to locate stakeholders from less open-minded places and talk to them why they had a stereotype of fan-fiction.
  2. From the people that agreed to participate, only two people agreed to record their voice on my phone. I have documented the others’ feedback of their drawings as clearly as I could, but I will have to make sure that I find a better way to document the information.


  1. I didn’t find an accurate way to measure the impact of this intervention. The thing I want to measure in this project is “challenge” or “change”, but I didn’t really provide the evidence of the change that occured because of my intervention.
  2. The audience that took part in this intervention were participants of the Edinburgh Fringe. They are considered more or less open-minded. The worst comment I got from my participants was that they didn’t read fan-fics at all. So I needed to relocate my stakeholders to a group of people that doesn’t think fan-fic is legal( for example).
  3. Or, as I said before, the anti-fandom had a valid reason for hating on the fandom(hating pro-shippers(problematic shippers) in general. I would personally agree with the anti-fandom at this point….


OTHER NOTES AND JIBBERISH(COMPLETELY WITHOUT LOGIC)

After reading reddits and twitter that Anti-fandom ppl had sent, I found myself slowly edging to the other side…because there are a lot of gray areas within the fandom.
So basically exposing the reality of both parties to each other, and documenting their view on fanfics before and after.(via drawing…or recording stuff)

New Knowledge???
Wtf is the new knowledge generated through this project?
That fan-fiction is a playing field that allows some ppl to commit crimes and hurt ppl without breaking the rules.

So do we need rules?
What if…we create an alternate reality where we add specific rules to fan-fiction that 100% restricts the crimes(I mean the fictional crimes) This may turn out worse than what is happening in reality but whatever. It’s the idea of an intervention.

Redirecting my research after the Intervention

Let’s just say that the fan-fics and fan art that I read and saw was wayyyy tooo pure compared with the fan-fics that causes the “misconceptions” to the outsiders. https://www.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/n0qt6o/is_it_illegal_to_write_explicit_fan_fiction_of/

After I read this, I was like: should there be rules? There are explicit grey areas in this realm that could potentially hurt innocent people who just wants to be creative in what they thought was a safe space.

An Interview with Leah Holmes

METHODOLOGY: Interview, Narrative Inquiry

(Definition: Narrative inquiry records the experiences of an individual or small group, revealing the lived experience or particular perspective of that individual, usually primarily through interview which is then recorded and ordered into a chronological narrative.)

Feeling that this type of method was the best way to gather qualitative info from an interview, I used this method for Leah’s interview.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/16094069221081594

EXPERT INTRODUCTION:

Leah Holmes is a London-based PhD student at Bath Spa University, specialising in anime and manga, fandom, and cultural studies. Her MPhil thesis is about the history of UK anime fandom and talks about hostility and resistance from wider society.

TRANSCRIPT:

EVIDENCE:

The full interview recording and transcript are available upon request for academic verification purposes.